Msi Gaming Z170a Xpower Gaming Titanium Edition Lga
Believe you are thinking of the 'X' Power, whose ratings have been sinking over there and sales aren't very good, even since the price drops - the 'M' Power is a different moboBecause the M Power has only 2 reviews, I used the XPower as the MPower ius justa cut down version of the Xl. It's a later version for which the primary difference is that it drops a PCI slot and the extra power connectors associated with it. Which made a lot of sense, It also has 2 less USB 3.1, 2 less SATA and drops some of the OC push button / connector features.The MPower is also a great buy now as it comes with a very usable KB and mouse. However, I think MSI made a mistake pricing them so close together. Methinks peeps will keep springing for the more expensive one for just $20 more.
BOARD: Z170A XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM EDITION BIOS: E7968IMS.1A0 VGA: EVGA GTX 780. MSI Global English Forum MSI GAMING GAMING Motherboards Gaming Z170A XPower Titanium edition - Loads of boot/BIOS problems. SMF ©2019, Simple Machines - Theme ©2019 Micro-Star Int l. MSI Z170A XPower Gaming Titanium Edition review. The Z170 XPower Gaming, Titanium Edition. MSI has been pushing the envelope in motherboard fashion in recent years, and their latest creation. Buy MSI Z170A XPOWER GAMING TITANIUM EDITION LGA 1151 Intel Z170 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.1 ATX Intel Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service.Once you know, you Newegg!.
If it were me I drop the included $29 KB and $29 mouse that newegg lists for inflated $100 as a combo and price this at $199 - $209 were it would compete nicely with the Gigabyte Gaming 7 which is by far the most popular board by far in this price range till nowAt $239 tho, for the $20 price difference, I'd take the X Power. It debuted at $279 on newegg, went up quickly to $299, and then as high as $314 for a while. Nice to see it back around $275 which I anticipated it to land before it dropped. $10 rebate makes it more attractive.Let's go back and look and see how the top MoBos stack up in the $200 - $300 range.
And yes, pretty much all boards have been dropping, especially one of my other early favs the Giga Gaming 7MSI X-Power Titanium = 73% 5 eggs / 4% 1 egg ratingsGigabyte Gaming 7 = 57% / 15%Asus Sabertooth = 43% / 11%Asus Hero = 46% / 27%Going up to $300 - $350Asus Z170-Deluxe = 42% / 30%Asus Formula = 53% / 9%So yes, all boards have been dropping in user satisfaction but there is still a wide gulf between the X Power and everything else in this price range. The MPower gives up a few things, but as long as it's just $20 less than the XPower, I think too many folks are gonna say 'what the hell' and spring for the extra $20. Of course the OV aficionados will stick with the XPower just for the OC tools. MSI has been using components that meet or exceed MIL-STD-810G for some time as part of its Military Class build philosophy. Now and again a motherboard appears that is so obviously brilliant, and so affordable, that we wonder if anything will be able to top it.
For a while that crown was held by the ASUS Sabertooth, both in X58 and then P67 variants. Then MSI stole the crown with the Z77 MPower. Looking at the Z87 GD65 Gaming we think it's going to take something extraordinary to top it, such is the perfect storm of price, performance, features and looks.The switch to Military Class 4 has given us an extremely ready overclocker too. You're always thermally limited when overclocking and the i7-4770K is one of the most demanding around.
Considering the amount of cooling we're using we think that although the GD65 is capable of bringing 5GHz from our i7-4770K you'd need a proper water loop to make the most of it.Performance is outstanding. The stock results were a particular highlight. We know a lot of people still just like to put their CPU in and go, without overclocking it first. Despite how easy it is these days we know that the fear factor still exists. So you'll be glad to know that the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming really rocks hard even at stock settings. Naturally the overclocking is blistering too, with some OC3D records broken.MSI have laid the gauntlet down to all the other manufacturers. Gorgeous to look at, blistering performance and all at a very affordable price, the MSI Z87 GD65 Gaming is not only the new benchmark for Z87 motherboards, but probably for all motherboards.
With Z170, early results indicated a nice comeback for Asus, and while they have done that, I still have some concerns. For one, just about every MoBo from Asus under $150 has a substandard audio system. Where Gigabyte and MSI put in ALC 1150 from $100 - $150, Asus for the most part puts in ALC 892 or 887. And the practice follows thru other components. The 'RoG Tax' which basically adds $50 over every comparable board from the competition, also seems to be shrinking a bit.
Msi Gaming Z170a Xpower Gaming Titanium Edition Lga 2
With Z97 MSI and Giga had boards at the top of the pack by a significant margin, with Z170, everyone is tightly packed but Asus has a small edge.The relative failure rates between brands vary by an statistically insignificant amount. If you hear otherwise, I'd love to see the documentation. RMA rates vary by just over 1/4 of 1 percent and over the last few years everybody has had a chance at the top and everybody has had a chance at the bottom.Right now, from first to last, it's Gigabyte, AsRock, Asus, MSI. But what's the significance here? From best to worse, that's 19 RMAs out of 1,000 to 22 RMAs out of 1,000. What you can however do with this information is avoid the boards with an unusually high and statistically significant failure rate.7,76% ASUS Rampage V Extreme X99.
That's more than 3 times the average7,50% MSI Z97 Gaming 75,63% ASROCK 980DE3/U3S3 R2.05,02% MSI 970 Gaming4,90% ASUS Z170-A. That's more than 2 times the averageIn short, any claim that one brand has better (or worse) quality control than any other can not be supported.
The brand wide differences we have seen in the studies referenced above have no statistical significance.For the brand which finished 1st, 981 out of 1000 folks didn't RMA their MoBoFor the brand which finished last, 978 out of 1000 folks didn't RMA their MoBoLet's for the moment, ignore the fact that the differences are not statistically insignificant, it would mean that the best has 0.3% better quality control than the worst.By way of an analogy I will give you an example of how statistics can be implied to say something they don't. With the Tom Brady (Patriots / Colts Football) incident, we have some pundits arguing that the Ideal Gas Law shows that the 12 Patriots footballs were not under inflated but that the pressure merely went down as a result of going from the warm locker room to the cold outdoor temperatures.What they fail to mention however is how come the Ideal Gas Law didn't apply to the 12 balls provided by the Colts. Another ignored point is that the pressure was not measure outside but only a time after after the balls were returned to the locker room. So what ultimately have is two sets of.fans. completely convinced that their version of the matter is correct and both using the same 'science' to prove their point.With Z170, everybody seems to have rather high dissatisfaction rates. The Gigabyte Gaming 7 ($210), MSI GAming 7 ($210) and the Asus Hero ($220) are in the same price range. Looking at the feature set, we see that the Gaming 7 has more features such as dual / better LAN, more ports, connectors, USB etc than the MSI which has not much more than extra USB 3 ports over the Asus.
Both the Xpower and MPower have been around awhile as far as lines of mobos go, both had Z87 and Z97 model, and none ever sold well. While I and most every builder I know realize that looking at newegg reviews can be problematic as noone knows the knowledge of the builders, so you have to really READ the reviews as to how much they can tell you, i.e. You REALLY need to know systems and be able to read between the lines, which is the same with reviews written by Pros for websites and print publications - sadly most don't have that knowledge.It takes more than reading oddball reviews to know hardware and even what is going on - i.e. A very good example is given above, let's work with the statement from JackNaylorPE 'With Z170, everybody seems to have rather high dissatisfaction rates.'
That is what is called a 'false equivalency' argument. Regardless of the general knowledge of the newegg board owners, the fact that the numbers differ so widely can not be explained away.
If lower scores just mean that those owners are less knowledgeable, then it must invariably follow that in the $200 - $220 price niche, MSI Gaming 7 owners must be less knowledgeable than Gigabyte Gaming 7 owners and that Asus Hero owners must be the least knowledgeable of the three. When we do read the reviews, we see that there are a lot of instances where user error is obvious, but when you do, you do NOT find that the Asus Hero, statistically, fared any worse or better than the others.Reading the reviews can be very informative to see how consistent any problem was. I remember reading on the Titanium, the 1st 2 owners complaining came from guys who were having trouble plugging cables into the MoBo. Looking back I see:-plugging in the 6+2 pin into the MoBo-plugging 12 and 8 pin cables into the MoBo-Bent pins that they didn't discover until after disassembly-trouble downloading drivers off the CD and not having an 'Application' to d/l the drivers off the web siteThere were legitimate issues expressed about RAM compatibility but it shows that no list will be immune from peeps without the proper knowledge and experience. But, if anything, these will have a larger impact when the number of dissatisfied users is small.
If reading the reviews actually showed that the number of inadequately equipped builders were more prominent for one board than another, then I expect that data would have been posted. As it wasn't, the false equivalency fails.Unlike the Trumnp-ish 'what I'm hearing from people', real data is valid and verifiable as it is drawn from a common sample base. 'What I am hearing from people' is political speak for 'if you fact check this, you will find no support for what I am saying'. When they do political polls, they get smart people and they get dumb people and everything in between but claiming the results are valid for one candidate and not another is without any reasonable basis.Going back to the 'deflate gate' analogy, we get the same argument from sports fans when their team doesn't win, there's hundreds of reasons why they lost despite being the 'better team'.
The Yankees won a bunch of World Series but that isn't helping them this year is it? So arguing what the Yankees did in previous years irrelevant to this year. If I want to have a reasonable discussion about 'deflate-gate' with a bunch of sports fans, I know I can't expect unbiased input from anyone in the room wearing Patriots or Broncos jerseys. Their bias is stamped right on their chest.As I have been saying long before most THG members were here that the only thing that the overall RMA rates prove is that there is no statistically relevant difference in quality between the 4 major players.
Asus seems to have a love / hate relationship with this data source. When they finish at the top, they sened out press releases and made a big deal about it. I can't seem to find a press release for their 3rd place finish. Like Asus, we have posters whose view of this data source is similarly flexible. After repeatedly declaring the data irrelevant when Asus placed poorly, as soon as they had their turn at the top, it suddenly became incontrovertible proof, and links were included the link in their every post on the topic. Now that Asus is in 3rd place, it's suddenly irrelevant again.As for the OC, the point I made was that if manual OC'ing is your thing, the Titanium may not be your board as initial BIOS was missing some important tuning features. Yes, enthusiasts will spend hours determining whether it' better to use one BCLK / Multiplier combination then another to get the same CPU speed.
Enthusiast spend hours determining what, if any, impact cache speed had on performance. If you are that guy, as I said, the Titanium may not be for you (assuming newer BIOS didn't address the issues mentioned). The Titanium however has the best auto overclocking feature set that exists today. And while the tools for enthusiast OC are there in spades, the BIOS, at least the early one I spent time with, needed some improvements.I didn't just pick up PC building late in life as a hobby. As one who has been responsible for corporate IT since 1983 and building for others (primarily engineers and gamers) since 1993, if there's one thing I have learned is that nothing is constant.
Market leaders have come and gone. Like sports teams, no one maintains a dynasty. Like PSUs, brand name is not a reliable indicator of quality.Going to the numbers, wasn't really a good idea. Not a strong point1. Only 1 of the sets contains more than 30 samples so statistical reliability is low.2.
Your numbers show that the 1-2 egg totals are,in order of statistical reliability. 25% (57), 39% (28), 12% (26) 49%(17),Here's some head to head comparisons from my previous post postulating that all manufacturers were seeing drops in quality$150 - $200 - As when this was first posted, my argument was / is everybody has gotten worse. IN effect all of this (which is expected) originates from a false statement you made'It's the best rated Z170 board on the market according to board owners (newegg reviews)'Which it isn't (and far from it), and then you try explaining it away as it's 'related' to another board that is top rated at the Egg, which has nothing to do with anything.These last two responses seem to be more babbling and trying to justify yourself then addressing the issue, which happens all to often.With all your claimed experience and expertise in building, upgrading, fixing rigs, etc. I would think you could be a real boon to the forums helping members with troubleshooting problems. I mean if you have all that knowledge why not apply it, rather than simply quoting things you've read and reviews.oh yeah, sorry, I've suggested that a few times over the last 2-3 years, haven't I. Sorry for being repetitive. I've found helping out with problems and solving them also tends to earn more BAs than just quoting things also.
It's also a good way to really help keeping up with the newer hardware and it's idiosyncrasies than simply reading atta boy reviews.
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